Winona Ryder and Johnny Depp, probably the couple that evokes to most 90s nostalgia. Or at least one of them.

As predicted a couple of weeks ago, Winona's on a press tour to promote her new Netflix show Stranger Things and she’s being asked about Johnny Depp who’s been accused by spousal abuse by his estranged wife, Amber Heard. In an interview with TIME, Winona, rather uncomfortably it seems, addressed the situation:

Look, I mean, obviously I can only speak from my own experience. It’s very tricky because if it were any other type of scandal, like cheating, you could be like, ‘None of my business. No comment. Not appropriate for me.’ But I think because what is being said is so horrific and such a global issue for millions of women, obviously, that I understand why people feel it is their business. I get it. And I get why you would ask.

I can only speak from my own experience, which was wildly different than what is being said. I mean, he was never, never that way towards me. Never abusive at all towards me. I only know him as a really good, loving, caring guy who is very, very protective of the people that he loves. It’s hard because I feel like—that’s my experience. And it’s been a very long time.

I don’t know how you feel about it, but it’s like anybody who says anything about it is a victim-blamer. I wasn’t there. I don’t know what happened. I’m not calling anyone a liar. I’m just saying, it’s difficult and upsetting for me to wrap my head around it. Look, it was a long time ago, but we were together for four years, and it was a big relationship for me. And we have a lot of mutual friends. I just never heard anything like that about him. But, again, I feel like even saying that, I’m going to get death threats or something. I’m not on social media, so maybe I will be spared.

But yes, it’s really hard. I don’t know what your love history is, but imagine someone you were in a relationship with was accused of this. I get that there are patterns of abuse. I get why you’re asking me. But it’s weird because imagine if someone you dated when you were—I was 17 when I met him—was accused of that. It’s just shocking. I have never seen him be violent toward a person before.
It’s just hard to picture. The only word I can come up with is unimaginable. You know with certain people you hear something and go, “I can see that.” But this isn’t that. So anyway this is the first time I’ve said anything so I don’t know. I can only offer my own experience. It’s such a serious, horrible thing to be accused of.

It’s almost as if your brother or someone you just never—so, you know, there’s a part of me that is thinking, ‘Is it even appropriate for me to say anything?’ But because of the seriousness of it, it’s been brought into a thing where it’s trickier for me to say, ‘None of my business.’ But that’s all I have to offer is my own experience, which was a very, very long time ago.

As Michael K over at Dlisted noted, Winona sounds exhausted by her own response, having to make sure to avoid saying anything that might offend anyone. In short, she did not experience what Amber claims to have experienced. But she wants you to know that that doesn’t mean that Amber is lying. Even though she was never struck by Johnny, she stresses that that doesn’t mean she knows whether or not Amber was struck by Johnny. So, what remains is what happened between Amber and Johnny. Which has nothing to do with what happened between Winona and Johnny. F-ck, I’m exhausted too.

Johnny, meanwhile, is back in LA and showed up at the Comedy Store the other night with Doug Stanhope who defended the emperor against attack from the mendacious bitch, thus currying favour with the emperor who has rewarded his subject’s loyalty with his esteemed company. Johnny’s been spending time on his private island in the Bahamas. You can see it on his face. Like your dad who fell asleep in the sun after too many beers.

Amber, meanwhile, has been hanging out with Amanda de Cadenet – click here to see photos. If you recall, Amanda has defended Amber on social media. And as I’ve mentioned before Amanda is one of the few people who doesn’t have anything to gain from taking sides. She is, however, well-connected. The studio heads are likely all for Johnny. Amber needs the Hollywood moms.